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You know, I just really I just want to know, I am confident.
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Like at that point in my life I wouldn't have voted for Donald Trump either way, but I would be curious how much I would know about him and who he is as a person and what he's done and Project 2025, like would I even?
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I probably wouldn't even understand any of that shit.
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Like I barely even do now.
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Right, like maybe you wouldn't have voted for him, but like would you have been upset?
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Like would you have been?
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Like, okay, whatever you know.
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Like it's an election, right, welcome back to the United she Stands podcast, the show that brings kindness and women into politics.
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I'm Ashley, and I'm Sarah, and we're two women from Ohio who are here to become more educated about American politics and build a community so we can all get involved and make an impact together.
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We hope we'll inspire and empower you along the way.
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Hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of the United she Stands podcast.
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We are dropping this one week out from Election Day and maybe I'm saying that incorrectly One week after Election Day, to be specific, and we are recording this on Friday, november 8th, so a couple of days after election day, and we just thought y'all would want to hear a debrief and maybe just take some time to absorb everything.
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I'm sure we're all still processing, and so this is what this episode will be.
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So, ash, what's up?
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How?
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are we doing?
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So?
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Let's start with how we were doing on Tuesday.
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You know, I think we were like feeling so good until about like what time did the freak out start?
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Nine, maybe 9pm, so I feel like I didn't really start freaking out.
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Granted, this is my first election that I've watched, so so, so closely Okay.
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So I think there's some naivety, naiveness to that, and so I think I was like okay until like 11-ish.
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But yeah, I think Ash, like 9, feels right for you.
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And also, and like by when Ashley says feeling good, like we started the night with Ash saying oh, florida is going to go blue, I did, I was like that is how good we were feeling.
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Yeah, it was quickly proven wrong, unfortunately, but yeah, I think whenever we just.
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You know, we were watching CNN and I forget the guy's name, but he's drilling into the counties and he's showing how?
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no, I think it was msmbc with steve mccall.
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Well, we did switch to steve cornetty later in the night yeah, yeah, you're right we were flipping between a couple channels.
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But whatever right they're, they're digging into the county level information or and they're showing like the margins aren't where she should be.
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You know, before these are, before states are even being called, like a lot of the swing states were even being called, you know.
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And even when North Carolina and Georgia went, we're like, well, that would be okay, like she doesn't need those to win, but the margins were what scared me and what made me think this is really not going to happen.
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And then, to be honest, when things started going to shit in Ohio, when issue one didn't pass and then Sherrod Brown lost, I was really, really starting to feel unwell Unwell is the word and all the Supreme Court seats up in Ohio were all leaning.
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Republican.
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I don't know when they were necessarily called, but yeah, things in Ohio started not looking good first.
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And yeah, shocker maybe, or maybe information to anyone who's new to listening.
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We are located in Ohio, so that that hurt.
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I feel like I held on hope for a while.
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Yeah, yeah, we had big ones.
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I mean Ohio stuff.
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I think I'm not gonna lie, I feel like that maybe almost was worse for like, worse for me in some ways, because you know, if trump pulled this off in other states, we saw trump win and we saw democrats and abortion amendments pass, yes, and you know that's not the situation.
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Ohio we I thought we were maybe a swing state.
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Still, I said that.
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Even I said ohio is still a swing state.
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We could swing this.
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I don't believe that anymore.
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We are absolutely right.
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State uh six to one super majority on our ohio state supreme court like what a joke.
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Two mega senators, uh, which you know.
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Now we have to have a new one, so who knows who will be appointed.
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But, uh, governor dewine will appoint a new senator, so it will be a republican.
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A fully, uh, super majority state legislature for the GOP, they control everything here, and so you know we didn't pass the gerrymandering amendment, so we are still voting on unconstitutional maps that the Republicans made.
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And so I think, yeah, I think for me that was almost like, don't get me wrong, I absolutely cannot believe I have to do another four years of Donald Trump, but for me that was almost the like what pushed me over the edge, because I was like we have no protection, nothing Like, let's look at Texas, let's look at Tennessee, that's gonna be us.
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Like exactly, exactly, and yeah, I think that, and we talked about this all the time how, yeah, federal and national politics super important, but, like, your life is far more affected by local and state politics and us knowing that so so well and preaching that for the two years we've been doing this podcast and literally watching that the our home state we grew up in and now have built our lives in crumble in front of us, like not to be dramatic, but literally Ohio is cooked.
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Like okay, that is my new favorite word, by by the way.
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I think I picked it up earlier this week, I'm not sure where, but like, yeah, ohio is cooked.
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I saw in your notes that you wrote that it's fun, it's just like I don't know it's, it's, it's a new way to say like you know, fucked up.
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So I yeah, anyways.
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Um so I agree, very, very hard to see um, I think the other really hard thing to stomach was we were so involved in the ground game like we currently sweat and time and energy and effort into issue one sharon brown democrats on the ballot.
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now I will say, um, silver lining, I guess, for me is the democrats locally.
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For me, one I am, I am, and, sarah, that's probably true for you.
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We both live in blue counties.
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There's like five total in the state of Ohio.
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There might be a couple more, but it's very slim.
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We do both live in blue counties, um, so I'm thankful for that.
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You know my state and house of representative, um, for the state legislature, are Democrats.
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Amelia Sykes is going back to the House of Representatives.
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She's my congresswoman, so I will take like that win because I'm like I need something.
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Yeah, and maybe we should just clarify for other folks that live in Ohio that are seeing some disconnect between issue one the abortion amendment that we passed last year and why we're concerned about it now.
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With, especially, a Supreme Court with six Republicans and one Democrat, so this amendment is going to make its way up to the court system sooner or later, and six Republicans sitting on the bench and knowing that they are probably anti-abortion means that we could lose that.
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Yeah, so the six week ban that was stayed when Roe fell had been stayed in Ohio.
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It was just challenged, I think, literally like last month we got the ruling.
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Yes.
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Franklin County Court, which is the area of Columbus, that that ban violated the Ohio State Constitution.
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So it's officially gone.
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The Constitution rights that we fought for are currently in.
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But, to Sarah's point, we know that's going to get challenged.
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The three, specifically the three judges that just landed on the Ohio Supreme Court were backed a lot of money, backed by anti-abortion groups.
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So we know the goal.
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We don't know how much damage they can do, right, but we know the goal.
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And then, just like all the other stuff on this right, like take abortion, that's one thing.
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Obviously it's a huge issue for us, but like everything else, the Republicans have a run of it here.
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I mean there's nothing standing, there's literally nothing standing in their way.
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So we don't have to keep going on Ohio politics.
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But I think for us, obviously that impacted our election night and several days after experience.
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Yeah, so we weren't feeling good about Ohio.
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And then I think, yeah, like I mentioned, ash knew before me.
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But yeah, we, I think we went to bed about like 1.30am yeah.
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And it hadn't been called yet, but we just missed it.
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Honestly, yeah, I'm glad we did.
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I feel like I was already going to bed, but it would have been harder to sleep.
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Yes, 100%.
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I was exhausted and the beer was really helping me making me feel sleepy.
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So, yeah, I'm glad we didn't know, and I think that's a lot of people's.
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I've listened to a handful of podcasts and reaction episodes and they're all like, yeah, we didn't know before we went to bed and we're all really happy because we wouldn't have been able to sleep.
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So thankful for that.
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Okay, let's talk about Wednesday.
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You can go first on this one.
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So I stayed over at Ashley's Tuesday night and so I wake up, I'm in her guest bedroom, aka my bedroom at her house, and obviously the first thing I check is I just Google presidential election, because the AP and Google have that nice little setup.
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Once you like Google that and I saw Trump at that point had 277 electoral votes and this was like 6.30, 6.45 in the morning and I I just like laid there for a few minutes and I immediately texted, like my boyfriend, some of my closest friends, and I was just like, literally I think, I said thing like maybe three different things, what the fuck, like what just happened?
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And like, yeah, maybe it was just those two.
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Like I didn't really have any words other than that in the moment and I had planned on, you know, just getting up and heading out and going, driving the two hours back to my place.
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And so I just kind of like got ready, but I was in shock, I feel like I didn't, I don't know.
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I was just like I felt like I was floating through space as I was like washing my face and like yeah, and so then I like got into Ashley's hallway and I'm saying I see her husband and we're just like hey, see Lincoln, ashley's son, and I'm just like oh my God.
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And then I see Ash and we're like she's standing at the top of the steps, I'm standing at the bottom and we're just like I don't even know if we said words to each other.
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I don't think we did.
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I think we were just like shaking our head, just kind of like, like jaw open, just I, I don't I don't know.
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Yeah, I totally agree.
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My first like I feel like my first two hours of that day were just like shock and disbelief, like I I genuinely was like this is this really like?
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Is this happening?
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Is this a nightmare?
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Like right, even though, like going to bed I think we kind of knew, but, like I said, it still was like to wake up and for it to be real.
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You know, I think there's always that slight hope like you're hoping for that miracle, I'm gonna go to sleep and like Philadelphia was gonna pull through and all their votes were gonna be for Harris, and you know that just didn't happen.
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So yeah, I totally agree.
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Shock, I was with you in the morning, shock and disbelief.
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Before you left, I was the same way yeah, and I think I was texting Ashley later that day and I literally don't think I like I don't remember blinking as I was driving home.
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I was just like in shock and I was.
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I I feel like I had no thoughts going through my head other than what the fuck do you want to transition to your next face?
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Face, yeah, I know.
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Yeah, we were probably a little bit of a little similar, but I think this is where mine and Sarah's uh stages of grief probably separated.
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Um, I was like in two, two mindsets.
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After the disbelief phase, I was in one I have to get the fuck out of ohio.
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Um, what are my options?
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What are my legitimate options?
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And maybe you listen to this and you think that's insane.
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Um, it's not you can already look at it, and I'm not the only one you know.
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I've seen other people we follow that have had this similar reaction.
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You can already see some of these blue state governors taking measures to protect women and children and all the other things that Trump could possibly go after Social Security, who knows what else.
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Is it fully protected from Trump anywhere you're in the US?
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No, but like being in a blue state could drastically give you better protections than living in a state like Ohio, and so that was like my first.
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One of my first gut reactions was that was like I have to do what I have to do to protect my family.
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I don't know that I can realistically live in a place like Ohio anymore, and so like we were me and my husband were like zillowing, like Ithaca, new York, and like places in upstate New York.
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We're like they were drivable and our family could still see us, but we would have you know we would live in a blue state.
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So, anyway, that was one of them.
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The second one was genuine disgust.
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I was disgusted that over 70 million people voted for this man, and when I say like I think there's people are in two camps here, like there's very extreme sides of these, it's hey, not all of the people that did this are bad and we can't assume that, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I genuinely get that side.
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I think there's probably a large number of people who actually don't know half the things this man has done, which is insane to me.
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But yeah, I did see the stat about people were Googling the day of election if Joe Biden was in the race.
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So I have to assume that genuinely, some people have no idea who Donald Trump is, which is insane for me to think, and I think it's very hard for me to understand that because obviously we are so in the know, but even if I wasn't.
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I just feel like, are you living under a rock?
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Like I genuinely like, how do you not know?
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Like, are you living under a rock?
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Like I genuinely like, how do you not know?
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I would love to talk to one of these people who don't know, because I, like, I'm just curious, I'm genuinely curious.
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Like, are you not on social?
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media Are you?
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not like I don't know.
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I just don't know how somebody couldn't know.
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And so for the people who do know and I know there's a handful of that, I know that actually I should say there's a lot of those and that's what is disgusting to me, to be honest, and I know because I share I've shared stuff on social and like Trump supporters will message me and I've shared stuff where he's like saying all of the vile things he's saying, we should, you know, line up Liz Cheney and put her in front of a firing squad and like those people make excuses for him and they think it's okay.
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And so for me, that's that's the line, Like there, no, I posted those on my social and I don't regret posting this.
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I even went back and forth on it.
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I was not going to post it because I was like, well, I regret this.
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In three days I don't.
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I still feel this way.
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If you voted for that man, you are not welcome anywhere near my child.
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Like nothing in him is an example, nothing in that man.
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And if you're okay, maybe you're not a rapist, but you're okay that he is Maybe you know all the things that you're seeing online, that is also true and I'm uncomfortable around you.
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If you're okay with that behavior, and that means that you don't need to be anywhere near my child, and so I don't back down from that position.
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But at the same time I understand that like we can't fix America if everybody goes and does that, and so for me I think it's the balance of like protecting my kid but being willing to engage and still put myself out.
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There is where I'm kind of at with it, but it's just then.
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So that was like my other thing, like character alone should disqualify this man.
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I was disgusted, but I was also sad, I was terrified, I was fucking furious, like fucking furious.
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And the fucking furious came later, to be honest, um, but those were the like the four emotions, I would say, raging throughout the day until I took a nap later that day.
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What about you for that day, sir?
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yeah.
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So as soon as I got home from Ashley's, I like logged on to work and was doing things kind of um, but like I could not function.
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Like I had some meetings that morning I was able to move one, but like my first one was just like a daily stand up with my team and like I hopped on and everyone was already like talking about work and all these things and I'm just like standing there trying to control my face because I was dumbfounded how anyone could be talking about just like normal life shit at that.
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At that point I was like how, how I was, like I was so pissed off actually that they were just like so able either to hide it.
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I had a pretty good idea that most of the people that I work with were voting the same way as myself, so that was also like an extra layer of being like how are we doing this?
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Like I literally can barely like sit in my swivel chair in the comfort of my sweatpants, in the comfort of my bedroom slash office and listen to this dumb shit.
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Right now, it doesn't matter.
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What are you people doing?
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Like I was genuinely pissed off.
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Shit right now, it doesn't matter.
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What are you people doing.
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I was genuinely pissed off and so, literally in between my meetings, I was in bed, crying in bed, crying in my biggest, most comfiest sweatshirt, and I just like I couldn't get past the.
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How did this happen?
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Did I have too much faith in humanity?
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How is anyone living their life right now?
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How could anyone be proud of this, be happy about this?
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I was just so dumbfounded I really think it's like the, the best word to describe this space and obviously like devastated.
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Um, and that was me most of the day.
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Like I, I logged off of work, I moved from my bed to the couch and cried more and watched Abbott Elementary to dissociate and or dissociate, and I was just so angry and, of course, instagram didn't make that any better.
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Like, I didn't open Instagram until after my drive home and that's when it really started to feel real.
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And, yeah, it's, I don't know, it's just like, oh, my God, I was just so unwell.
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I was so, so, so unwell.
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On Wednesday and, yeah, ash, like, similar to you, I was really, like you know, seeing, like, oh, I don't hate you if you voted for Trump, but also, what the fuck?
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And like, oh, yeah, like you know, screw you.
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Like I was struggling with that too, but I think I landed like exactly where you're at, like, like character alone should have disqualified this man, should have just been enough.
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Why wasn't it enough?
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And that's what hurts.
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But also, again, what I've really been thinking about, honestly, like this entire kind of election season, the whole, like you know, past few months at least, it's like how I'm confident, like, okay, background information I'm sure you all know, but I wasn't into politics really until like the past few years and I like avoided it like the plague.
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I didn't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole.
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So I I've been reflecting often.
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I'm like, okay, what would my thoughts be if I was still that version of Sarah?
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What would I be thinking?
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What would I know?
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Because I know I wouldn't, like I get a lot of information from instagram, yes, and I know I would have been on instagram as well, back like the other version of sarah, but also like following different accounts.
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You know, I just really I just want to know I am confident, like at that point in my life, um, I wouldn't have voted for donald trump either way, but I would be curious how much I would know about him and who he is as a person and what he's done and Project 2025, like would I even?
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I probably wouldn't even understand any of that shit.
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Like I barely even do now.
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You know what I mean.
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Maybe you wouldn't have voted for him, but like would you have been upset, like would you have been like okay, whatever, you know, like it's an election Right and I think a lot of Americans are there is crazy to me we can talk about.
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I have opinions on that.
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So, yeah, I guess you keep going because I don't want to interrupt you, and then we can kind of talk about like where we landed after the the yeah right, no, yeah, like that.
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That was like me trying to understand the other side.
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I was like I don't think you know that version of sarah would have voted for donald trump.
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I really don't, like I'm confident in that but like I don know, like all of the misinformation, how much of that would I have understood was misinformation?
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You know what I mean Because like, yeah, same as you.
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Now it's mind blowing to me that we're in this, in this situation, but we yeah, I mean politics is not like everyone's favorite thing Shocker.
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You know what I mean.
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So I don't know it's yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
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So I pretty quickly got to the phase of just like we got a lot of work to do, like we got to figure it out, and so I took a nap on Wednesday afternoon and then basically I woke up and Nick was up and he's like how are you feeling?
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I was like I'm ready, let's do it.
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He's like what?
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He's just like you're a psycho.
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He's like keep on trying.
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He literally is Because, like I said, I was down, bad, down, bad, crying at the gym, as Taylor Swift would say, except I was not going anywhere near the gym on Wednesday Like it was bad.
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So, like, if you're still like that, totally okay, yes, absolutely okay.
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I am like an excellent compartmentalizer, okay, um, but yeah, I woke up and I was just like me and sarah have been talking about all the stuff, like we're gonna do, um, and so, if you haven't seen, we have a sub stack now, and so that was a big thing.
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Like I just basically woke up what from my nap and started putting our sub stack together.
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I was like I gotta do something, I have to take action, and the other thing that I started to do Sarah, too, I was starting to try to understand how this happened.
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How did we get here?
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And so that, actually, is what spurred my first sub stack post.
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But yeah, I think that was really where I got to by Wednesday, and then I feel like that's just been the state I've been in since.
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Like I will, I'm going to share the shit.
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I like I never used to use my personal instagram to share political stuff too, and that's done for that's because I think that that's the problem is, like the people that are in these right wing radical circles are seeing only good stuff about donald trump that elon musk is sharing or whatever, and they're not seeing the reality of policy impact.
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And so I will never stop.
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That's what I've decided.
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Like I'm sure I'm going to lose a bunch of followers or whatever on my personal, I don't care.
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Like I'm going to.
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Just so I've been sharing like oh, look at these kids in Texas that are waving around property Women are property signs Like this is who you've emboldened.
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Look at these people threatening women with sexual assault.
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Like women with sexual assault.
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Like this is the people you've emboldened, because they're already seeing the craziness start and he's not even in office.
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And so I've been sharing a lot to my personal account with that and then keeping our account with like the more positive action oriented type things, because people following our political account they don't need to know Donald Trump's a bad guy.
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They know they're following us for a reason, you know.
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So I think those are anyway.
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That's kind of how I've compartmentalized those two things.
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Like I think that's what I'm going to try to do going forward.